Friendship in Leadership

Co-founders are a known relationship in the realm of start-ups and institution-building. But less studied is the dynamic of friendship between those who are building something that intends to have cultural impact and last beyond a generation. Today’s episode digs in to that deeper, less transactional realm, as the co-founders of Cardus, Michael Van Pelt and Ray Pennings, reflect on their 20+ years of friendship while leading.