Bearing ridicule well points to the wisdom of the cross.

Esau McCaulley, discussing his new memoir, reflects on the way we tell black stories and how we make sense of our narratives for the glory of God.
Mark Labberton hosts the Conversing podcast and is the Clifford L. Penner Presidential Chair Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Preaching at Fuller Seminary.
Esau McCalley is assistant professor of New Testament at Wheaton College and the author of Reading While Black and How Far to the Promised Land, among other works.
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