The slippery liberties of consumer capitalism.

Uli Chi and Mark discuss Uli’s new book, The Wise Leader, and how wisdom manifests in various contexts, from leadership roles to everyday life.
Mark Labberton hosts the Conversing podcast and is the Clifford L. Penner Presidential Chair Emeritus and Professor Emeritus of Preaching at Fuller Seminary.
Uli Chi has spent his life practicing leadership in the intersection of for-profit and non-profit businesses, the theological academy, and the local church. Uli serves as board chair of the Virginia Mason Franciscan Health System. He is vice chair and senior fellow at the De Pree Center and a fellow at the Center for Faithful Business at Seattle Pacific University. Uli serves on the faculty for Regent College’s MA in leadership, theology, and society.
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